Facebook - friend or foe?

Grum · #**231** (**permalink**) 25-03-2009, 16:27

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Originally Posted by MotoPhan

I wonder how long it would be , once the government has access to all this information, before they happen to loose it on a train somewhere , or someone or some organisation manage to hack into the system and monitor the monitors... George Orwell was 100% correct only 20 years to early... with 1984... Brits are already the most watched country in the world... almost makes me want to give up my British Citizenship....

Right to privacy broken by a quarter of UK's public databases, says report

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The report, Database State (.PDF) by the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, says that more than half of Whitehall's 46 databases and systems have significant problems with privacy or effectiveness, and could fall foul of a legal challenge.

Grum · #**232** (**permalink**) 25-03-2009, 16:52

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Originally Posted by peachy

It's pretty easy to identify encrypted voice traffic but then it could be tunneled though an ssh tunnel (a VPN) for example and there is no way of knowing what that carries. You'd have to accept that some traffic you will not be able to sniff, or block certain types of ssl traffic which has it's own limitations.

Yes, but once alerted to traffic deemed to be of sufficient importance, the spooks can use more conventional means to acquire encryption keys. We are going back nine years here: Encryption at the mercy of the law.

Mikey · #**233** (**permalink**) 25-03-2009, 23:10

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Originally Posted by BigD

I want to establish if MrX is an alcoholic so his exwife can shaft him in a divorce. Without any inside information from his ex, I obtain his shopping details, which help me to determine his current marital/domestic status and address, then I use the quantities and frequencies of alcohol purchases. Then I obtain CCTV footage of his movements near the pubs during times when he is not using his Sky satellite box or his ISP connection. If possible I track his movementsusing his mobile phone triangulation which I obtain from a colleague at the mobile phone company. Then I establish how frequently he has had sick days from his job by hacking his Time&Attendance computer. Then I look at his facebook account to establish how often he goes on "drinking events".... and so it goes on....

BigD

This is what scares me about things like Cumulus points and health insurance. Let's say, for example, that some medical expert suddenly discovers that drinking soya milk causes mental illness (just a hunch). How long do you think that it will take someone at your health insurance company to work out how many soya based cumulus points you've accumulated?

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but maybe they're all out to screw us

Sandgrounder · #**234** (**permalink**) 26-03-2009, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Mikey

This is what scares me about things like Cumulus points and health insurance. Let's say, for example, that some medical expert suddenly discovers that drinking soya milk causes mental illness (just a hunch). How long do you think that it will take someone at your health insurance company to work out how many soya based cumulus points you've accumulated?

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but maybe they're all out to screw us

Yes, but they would have to prove that you were actually consuming them. How many people have a cumulus or a supercard who shop for a whole family?

Still, it's a bit of a scary thought especially if you are scanning 18 bottles of wine through a week...

BigD · #**235** (**permalink**) 26-03-2009, 11:23

Not just a specific foodstuff, but any aspect of your consumption, habits or behaviour could be monitored and judged without your knowledge.

BigD

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Originally Posted by Mikey

This is what scares me about things like Cumulus points and health insurance. Let's say, for example, that some medical expert suddenly discovers that drinking soya milk causes mental illness (just a hunch). How long do you think that it will take someone at your health insurance company to work out how many soya based cumulus points you've accumulated?

Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but maybe they're all out to screw us

Grum · #**236** (**permalink**) 26-03-2009, 13:16

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Originally Posted by BigD

Not just a specific foodstuff, but any aspect of your consumption, habits or behaviour could be monitored and judged without your knowledge.

Here's a 2003 Guardian article about loyalty cards, The card up their sleeve.

And a 31 Jan 2004 article, RFID Tag Hidden in METRO's Loyalty Card (METRO Future Shop in Rheinberg, Germany).

METRO Future Shop also had an RFID Tag Deactivation Station that does not Deactivate Tags

OK, we can avoid that shop, but how about Deutsche Bahn AG, winner of a category in the 2007 Big Brother awards?

Closer to home, Big Brother Awards Schweiz (German only) is perhaps worth a look at.

swissflygirl · #**237** (**permalink**) 26-03-2009, 14:18

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Originally Posted by BigD

Not just a specific foodstuff, but any aspect of your consumption, habits or behaviour could be monitored and judged without your knowledge.

BigD

Taking us back to the days when we weren't faceless shoppers in large supermarkets, but local people shopping at local stores. The grocer/butcher/etc knew their customers and their buying habits then too. And would also know that we'd always duck off to the village down the road for our weekly 18 bottles of cider....

Dingbat · #**238** (**permalink**) 26-03-2009, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Grum

Closer to home, Big Brother Awards Schweiz (German only) is perhaps worth a look at.

we got nominated for that one year!

Cyrus · #**239** (**permalink**) 26-03-2009, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Dingbat

we got nominated for that one year!

My gemeinde is in there too, for making the personal details of naturalisation cadidates available to all, though I think they got a slap for that and have mended their ways.

BigD · #**240** (**permalink**) 26-03-2009, 15:27

But I am sure that he wouldn't broadcast that knowledge worldwide or sell it to a corporation for profiling. After all, it's a local shop for local people. We'll have no trouble here.

BigD

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Originally Posted by swissflygirl

Taking us back to the days when we weren't faceless shoppers in large supermarkets, but local people shopping at local stores. The grocer/butcher/etc knew their customers and their buying habits then too. And would also know that we'd always duck off to the village down the road for our weekly 18 bottles of cider....